Got my new Warmoth neck BUT !

[DangerousR6]

I'd say as everyone else "If'n it ain't broke, don't fix it"...I have several Warmoth necks with their standard bevels and have no issues....

[lidesnowi]

Here is a couple of images that show the difference between my old and newer Warmoth neck with the same type SS6100 frets.

The new one is more like 45 degrees beveled and the old is more like half of that ( 22.5 degrees)
 

Now 22.5 degrees isn't what I would call square ! Shouldn't square be 90 degrees ?

[tfarny]

You should return it if you are so unhappy, but the bevel is normal on your new one. I wouldn't be able to play your old one, it would go straight to the shop for a good fret bevel. I couldn't get a good pic of my most-rounded fret end, but that thing is super comfortable. Try getting a narrower bridge spacing and your slippage problem should go away unless you have a really unusual playing style.

[Cagey]

I took a couple shots of some recent fretwork from Warmoth that I've received, and here what we see:

Look at the size of those buggers!



Mmmm... gold...

Aren't digital cameras great? I've had this thing for years and I'm still tickled every time I use it.

Anyway, the shots are deceptive so I got out a protractor and measured, and the bevel on these frets is about 30 degrees, give or take a couple, which is about what I'd expect since neither of these necks has been into the shop yet. I will say looking at the last picture you posted, it appears that those frets have been cut a little more acute than that. But, it's tough to say. I still think if you had them dressed up and polished, you'd be happy. That operation normally softens that angle and takes off the harsh edges so the bevel isn't quite so obvious.

[stubhead]

On the shots in your first post, it looks like the old frets are a good bit lower, and obviously if you have the new ones dressed the playing surface will lengthen. However, it does look like the "angle guy" got a little too enthusiastic. I always do my own frets, and I've never had a neck from Warmoth or USACG that didn't need at least a little work on the ends, though they are usually level enough to last a year or so before a full level/crown/polish. I would personally rather have them straight up and I'll decide what shape I want, my ideal is the classic "hotdog" ends and there's no way to reach that on a fret that's already over-beveled. Warmoth has a tricky call to make, because people will complain if they can't play immediately on a neck that isn't finish-dressed, but to dress a neck properly you have to do the fret ends individually and it would add $100 to each neck's price. So, they bevel... and bevel...

[lidesnowi]

On the shots in your first post, it looks like the old frets are a good bit lower, and obviously if you have the new ones dressed the playing surface will lengthen. However, it does look like the "angle guy" got a little too enthusiastic. I always do my own frets, and I've never had a neck from Warmoth or USACG that didn't need at least a little work on the ends, though they are usually level enough to last a year or so before a full level/crown/polish. I would personally rather have them straight up and I'll decide what shape I want, my ideal is the classic "hotdog" ends and there's no way to reach that on a fret that's already over-beveled. Warmoth has a tricky call to make, because people will complain if they can't play immediately on a neck that isn't finish-dressed, but to dress a neck properly you have to do the fret ends individually and it would add $100 to each neck's price. So, they bevel... and bevel...

It´s the same SS6100 frets on both necks.

[AprioriMark]

This is my one major gripe with Warmoth, and I've taken a lot of needless crap for bringing it up here in the past, but I'll do it again because this needs to be fixed.  I've purchased many, many necks (both guitar and bass) from Warmoth over the years, and the fret ends vary quite a bit.  I get that Warmoth does not want to get into fretwork, but there should at least be consistency in the product.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A STANDARD FOR THE ANGLE OF THE BEVEL ON WARMOTH NECKS.

1) I understand that people have varying tastes.  Offer "Standard" and "No Bevel" (at least) as options.
2) Post a nifty little picture that demonstrates the standard angle of fret bevels on the neck builder.
3) ??
4) Profit.

I mean seriously, just wtf.

-Mark

[AutoBat]

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

[stubhead]

THERE NEEDS TO BE A STANDARD FOR THE ANGLE OF THE BEVEL ON WARMOTH NECKS.

Yeah, I would at least agree with that. Autobat has 30 degrees and 15 degrees on the same neck, the two pictures Cagey posted are markedly different to me - the gold are much less beveled. I would have a hard time putting the ends I like on the ones that are beveled so much, but I am insanely picky about stuff like that. I guess some guy just takes a swipe at them on a belt sander, and he has different mood swings... If Warmoth makes a neck I wnat, I'll make sure to order the unbeveled ends. Here we go:

http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/Fretting3.htm

Manufacturers vary a bit on how they bevel and round the fret ends, but the object is the same....no sharp edges!

Can someone over bevel the fret ends? Yes, one of the pitfalls often besetting a beginner is to over bevel the fret ends. An over beveled fret has ends that are angled too far inward and will affect the outer strings.  In severe cases the outer E strings may lie over or terribly close to this bevel and cause the string to roll off the frets edge when playing. How do you fix that? Refret it , you can't put back what has been filed off.

These here are pretty hot-doggish, though I'd do them a bit more than that - a perfect hemisphere is the ideal to shoot for.

[Death by Uberschall]

Burn Unit is the same way, never had a string pop off the fret end while playing. But I always bend towards the center of the neck on both E strings. Pull down on the low E, push up on the high E.

[Gregg]

Burn Unit is the same way, never had a string pop off the fret end while playing. But I always bend towards the center of the neck on both E strings. Pull down on the low E, push up on the high E.

Ah Burn Unit....always a pleasure seeing pictures of this guitar. 

[ErogenousJones]

Burn Unit is the same way, never had a string pop off the fret end while playing. But I always bend towards the center of the neck on both E strings. Pull down on the low E, push up on the high E.

Seems to me you're just looking for trouble if you try and do it any other way...

And yeah, that is one swanky gitter.

[jay4321]

But I always bend towards the center of the neck on both E strings. Pull down on the low E, push up on the high E.

Yeah pulling strings off the fretboard shouldn't be an issue tied to the beveling, unless it's really extreme

[lidesnowi]

Good news
The neck is fitted and plays better than I expected !
This Boat neck profile with 1 3 / 4 "width and 16" radius is incredible, I can not stop playing it  i played it nonstop for 6 hours strait once i got it on the guitar and it instantly became my main instrument!

Thanks all you guys at Warmoth!

[BigBeard]

I can't believe the consensus on this board about this subject...... I have never once touched a fret out of the box on a new neck!!!!   Not just Warmoth products, but Mighty Mite and Eden too, they all make a great product that doesn't need phucked with to be playable!!!  You know the money you would waste on having someone hack up that nice new neck is about half of the price of another neck.